The following is from Thomas Hawk:
Flickr = Censorship
[I'm CEO of Zooomr]
Well it is with great disappointment that I found myself yet again a victim of censorship on Flickr. Earlier today while engaging in a debate about Flickr's recent censorship in Germany I had over a dozen of my comments permanently deleted out of a debate by Flickr staff.
You can see the references to my involvement in the debate here and here among other places.
It's ironic that of all places that Flickr would choose to censor me would be in a thread protesting their censorship. And without any warning even or explanation.
This is not the first time I've been censored by Flickr.
The points that I was making in my debate about censorship on Flickr had a lot to do with what I see as problems at Yahoo. The fact that their CEO is the highest paid CEO in the United States, the fact that Yahoo 2 days ago rejected an important shareholder proposal denouncing censorship. And yes this most recent issue of censorship where people in Germany can only access Flickr in "safe mode."
Now some might say that it's not right for me as a competitor to Yahoo to be critical of their practices. But let me point you to the screen shot above. It comes from Flickr employee Dunstan Orchard's public zipline on Zooomr. Dunstan and other Flickr employees have been on Zooomr disparaging our site for the past week. So to me it seems a tad hypocritical that when I legitimately object to censorship on Flickr that I would have my words censored, while Flickr staff seems to feel that it's perfectly appropriate to disparage Zooomr over at Zooomr.
It's not right. And what Flickr doesn't understand is that by censoring your critic you only make him stronger. I'm sure it's probably only a matter of time before I get kicked off of Flickr entirely. All my photographs destroyed and deleted as well. Over 40,000 comments from many good friends.
This is the difference though between me and Flickr. When Dunstan and other Flickr employees disparaged Zooomr I let their words stand. Rather than censor them, I took the high road and did not. Meanwhile Flickr continues to build a name for itself: Flickr = censorship. Silencing me will not change this and it's a sad state of affairs to see happen to the Flickr that I once loved so much and that even now professes to "love me" on the little icon above my page.
Censorship is borne out of fear and weakness. This is something always to remember.
Uploaded by Thomas Hawk on 14 Jun 07, 3.24AM PDT.
The following is my comments:
I have been a supporter of flickr like TH all along. Although I have a Zooomr account, but I am not too active.
To me, These events are a history repeated by itself of flickr-Yahoo.
Yahoo - flickr = Yahoo!
TH is a user of flickr. However, flickr have the Supreme God & goddess. Whom decide who should be censored; block or deleted...etc.
I have experience that since Sept 29, 2005 till today.
To me flickr is a great photo management community, but over time the Power - politics seem to be happening in both internal & external which are the "customers".
If the management on the top is assuming the imperialism management or authoritarian style then e-gangsterism or e-hooliganism would born naturally.
TH is good heart by sounding out for flickr to improve. It means well & good. However, that is not really appreciated as my earlier experiences.
Perhaps it is the same as what I have been served & f-team God think that it is a threat to their existence.
Especially, TH have commented at his own flickr. Which they have the power to do what they want. Anytime a violating the TOS can just created. & then they can exercise their power.
flickr junior staffs messing at Zooomr site are totally un-professional in the web2.0 era.
In my opinion, Yahoo CEO Terry Semel should need to come forward to the front to assume the leadership to iron out those censorship issue including Germany, China, Hong Kong, Singapore, Korea & also those blockage, suspensions, deletions, harassments; oppressions; bully to the Yahoo customers..etc. before it is too late.
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